Floppy Kickstarter

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Floppy Kickstarter

Post by Dr. Frankenstein » Sat May 11, 2019 2:06 pm

Anybody ever have a problem with the kickstarter falling down when underway? Is that just a too-loosely-wound kickstarter spring, or...?
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by Falcon_52 » Thu May 16, 2019 8:22 am

I have had that happen before. Does the lever have any tension on it? If not, it's most likely a broken return spring.

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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by olpuchguy » Thu May 23, 2019 6:00 am

So - a verdict on the kickstarter? Is/was it a broken spring? Or was it simply untensioned (is that a word?)? If the kickstart lever has been off for whatever reason, it's very simple to lose the tension on the spring when reinstalling. If I hadn't just received direct instruction from Matt at Motorwest - I would've wound up with a floppy kickstart lever. Very easy procedure for reinstalling...though a bit tricky to put into words. If you're interested, I'll give it a go.
Dennis
1969 SR125 sold
1964 150A sold
1965 150A sold
1958 175 Standard
1960 125 Hardtail
1980 Puch Magnum II
1960 Sears Allstate 123.94401 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1960(?) Sears Allstate 1233.94400 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1958 Sears 811.30 scooter sold
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by olpuchguy » Thu May 23, 2019 6:01 am

So - a verdict on the kickstarter? Is/was it a broken spring? Or was it simply untensioned (is that a word?)? If the kickstart lever has been off for whatever reason, it's very simple to lose the tension on the spring when reinstalling. If I hadn't just received direct instruction from Matt at Motorwest - I would've wound up with a floppy kickstart lever. Very easy procedure for reinstalling...though a bit tricky to put into words. If you're interested, I'll give it a go.
Dennis
1969 SR125 sold
1964 150A sold
1965 150A sold
1958 175 Standard
1960 125 Hardtail
1980 Puch Magnum II
1960 Sears Allstate 123.94401 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1960(?) Sears Allstate 1233.94400 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1958 Sears 811.30 scooter sold
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by Dr. Frankenstein » Sat May 25, 2019 7:52 am

Hi guys - sorry I haven't had a chance to really check in, I got put on a day shift; previously I was off by 10:00am, and could spend all day in the garage. Haven't had a chance to do that in about a month...it sucks.

BUT...! This being a long weekend, I hope to be able to get in there and see what's' happening. When I rebuilt the engine (total stripdown) I didn't notice anything particularly wrong with the spring, so I'm thinking I just didn't wind it enough. Olpuchguy, if you have a procedure, please let me know!

I have a manual, but first-hand experience is always beneficial.


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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by olpuchguy » Mon May 27, 2019 12:25 am

Here's what I've been told/shown:
With the kickstart lever off the splined shaft...
Look at the end of the splined shaft. There's a slit running across it.
That slit should be aligned with the gap in the splined-shaft end of the kickstart lever. (The gap that "closes" when you tighten the kickstart lever on, via the pinch bolt.)
Align those with the lever only about 1/4 of the way pushed onto the shaft...the lever should be in approximately the seven o'clock position at this point..
Then rotate the lever in a clockwise position...running it past the kickstart lever stop until it clears the stop.
Then, push the lever fully onto the shaft. You should have felt resistance from the spring, as you rotated the lever.
There should now be enough tension in the spring to hold the lever against the stop.
Tighten the pinch bolt.

That's how I remember it.
Hope it helps.
1969 SR125 sold
1964 150A sold
1965 150A sold
1958 175 Standard
1960 125 Hardtail
1980 Puch Magnum II
1960 Sears Allstate 123.94401 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1960(?) Sears Allstate 1233.94400 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1958 Sears 811.30 scooter sold
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by olpuchguy » Mon May 27, 2019 12:25 am

Here's what I've been told/shown:
With the kickstart lever off the splined shaft...
Look at the end of the splined shaft. There's a slit running across it.
That slit should be aligned with the gap in the splined-shaft end of the kickstart lever. (The gap that "closes" when you tighten the kickstart lever on, via the pinch bolt.)
Align those with the lever only about 1/4 of the way pushed onto the shaft...the lever should be in approximately the seven o'clock position at this point..
Then rotate the lever in a clockwise position...running it past the kickstart lever stop until it clears the stop.
Then, push the lever fully onto the shaft. You should have felt resistance from the spring, as you rotated the lever.
There should now be enough tension in the spring to hold the lever against the stop.
Tighten the pinch bolt.

That's how I remember it.
Hope it helps.
1969 SR125 sold
1964 150A sold
1965 150A sold
1958 175 Standard
1960 125 Hardtail
1980 Puch Magnum II
1960 Sears Allstate 123.94401 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1960(?) Sears Allstate 1233.94400 (Yardman Motorette) sold
1958 Sears 811.30 scooter sold
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by Dr. Frankenstein » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:16 pm

OK, well I have the left side off and am working on getting to the kickstarter - one of the little rings on the spring is off the kickstarter shaft. I can See it, but I can't get that big nut off in the center of the clutch plates so I can take off the clutch basket.

I do not have a clutch wrench (Yet!); so how do I get the center basket to stop spinning to get enough torque onto that nut? I've tried stuffing it with rags around it, wedging it with a screwdriver, a door stop, a piece of wood...no good. And I can't remember how I did it the last time!

Any ideas?

Has anybody used one of those EBC clutch basket holding tools for the Puch 250? What number was it?
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by Dr. Frankenstein » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:24 am

Ok, got the nuts off - but the flywheel doesn't seem to want to come off easily - I assume it's pressed on? For the life of me I cant remember how I got it off before...
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Re: Floppy Kickstarter

Post by Dr. Frankenstein » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:16 pm

I got it - I just had to tap on it a bit and the basket came right off; it was just snug.

Kickstarter loop was not in it's little space on the back of the kickstarter. Mission accomplished.
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